Non-Duality & Spirituality Meetings with Tom Das

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Just a reminder that I hold meetings weekly, both in London (UK) and online. The next meeting is today (Thursday 24th November 2016). Please see one of the links below for details:

http://www.tomdas.com/events
http://www.meetup.com/Non-duality-Kingston-London

Can you know something is infinite, limitless, indestructible, eternal or unborn?

Concepts of infinity

Many spiritual teachings talk about the infinite. They talk about the eternal, the everlasting, the unborn, the indestructible, the infinite bliss and that which is limitless. All these are variations on the concept of infinity.

And there are different types of infinity. You can can infinity in terms of the three dimensions of space: infinitely tall or infinitely wide or both, ie. spatially limitless. You can have infinity in terms of time: something that is eternal or lasts forever, or something that has no beginning and is unborn. You can also have infinity in terms of power and knowledge where something is infinitely powerful or infinite in its wisdom. Both power and knowledge operate within space and time, and you can have infinities that apply to many other phenomena within space and time. There are still other types of infinity, but these are more in the realm of mathematics and we can set these aside for the purposes of this post.

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The transcendent as ‘infinity’

Some people use the word infinity in a slightly different way. They say there is the transcendental type of ‘infinity’, that which transcends time and space, that which is timeless, spaceless, that which time and space do not affect. This is different to saying something is infinite in space and time. Instead they are saying this is something in a different dimension, something qualitatively different to space and time. This is not really infinity per se, but a creative use of the word ‘infinity’ to indicate transcendence and something that is unaffected by the forces, energies and rules of what we take to be the world around us.

Can we know anything is infinite

So the question is, can we actually know something to be infinite? My contention is that you can’t, and I’ll explain why. But before I do, let me say that this doesn’t mean that teachings that talk about infinity are not useful. They often are very useful, but ironically, in my view, their use is limited and ultimately these concepts of infinity can be a prison to keep us trapped. They can keep us from realising our own inherent freedom that is already here and already fully realised because we think that whatever is here and whatever we are is certainly not that great infinite thing spoken of by the sages and texts throughout the ages past and present.

The usefulness of concepts of infinity

Before I explain why you can’t know if something is infinite, let me briefly explain how these teachings can be useful. Firstly, such grand concepts of infinity can be motivators to start seeking for something more, and can encourage people on their spiritual journey. Secondly, if you are feeling low in some way, eg. low in mood, low in confidence, low in energy, low in inspiration or low in self-esteem (in vedanta teachings this low energy is called tamas or tamo-guna), visions of the infinite, the divine, the omnipotent and the eternal can be hugely uplifting and inspiring. Combined with the message that not only does this divinity exist, but you are also by nature divine, this message has the potential for profound benefit. It can raise the spirits of the depressed and disillusioned and inspire them and give them direction.

In fact in the Bhagavad Gita, in then end of Chapter 1 and start of Chapter 2, the protagonist Arjuna is feeling dejected and tamasic (dull and low). His body is weak and slumped and his limbs are quivering. He is the best archer in the entire universe and he has dropped his bow on the ground. His mind is confused and he is consumed with negative thoughts whirring around his mind, he has lost all idea of what to do and he is completely disillusioned with life. His friend, Krishna, who luckily happens to be a divine incarnation of God, calls Arjuna to pick up his bow, stand up and no longer be confused. How does he do this? Krishna’s first teaching is to tell Arjuna not to worry and inspire Arjuna with a vision of infinity, something that will raise Arjuna’s spirit, something that will motivate and energise Arjuna and take him out of this depression. He teaches Arjuna of  ‘THAT’ which is infinite, eternal, indestructible and inconceivable.

If this is where you are, if you are following a teaching that talks of the infinite in some way and is bringing you positivity, energy and joy, then you don’t have to read any further. Continue on your path. If you find that this path is no longer serving you, or if you find you are interested to learn more, then read on.

Infinity is a concept, not a reality

Infinity is a concept. It’s an idea, born out of the human mind. The human mind has an ability to see things around it and then take aspects of what it sees and alter it. We call it human imagination or creativity. We see something really big, like a tall tree, then we imagine a tree that reaches into the sky, like in the fable of Jack and the Beanstalk. We see a horse and a rhino, and combine elements of each to imagine a creature such as a unicorn. We see death and imagine deathlessness. We see suffering and imagine eternal joy. This is how the concept of infinity is created.

A very very long rope

Now let’s come to the basic reason why it’s impossible to know that anything is infinite. Lets take the example of a very very long rope. Imagine you came across such a rope and you had to find out if it was infinitely long or just very very long. How would you do it? You may walk alongside the rope for days and days and see that the rope never ends. You could therefore justly conclude that it is a very very long rope (relatively speaking). However, and here is the crux of the matter, you have no way of knowing that the rope doesn’t end further along. You have no way of knowing that it is infinitely long.

And this is true for all the infinities mentioned at the start of this post. Just by firmly grasping this simple example of the ‘very very’ long rope, you will be able to see why it is impossible to know whether anything is infinite or not.

‘Very very’ vs. infinite

How can you know something is infinitely powerful or that it will last forever (ie. an infinite amount of time)? Just because it is very very powerful or has lasted a very very long time, doesn’t mean it is infinite in those dimensions. Similarly, just because something has been around for a very very long time or just because you can’t remember something beginning, doesn’t mean it was never born. Maybe it is very very old, but you have no way of knowing if it was infinitely old.

If you think something is infinite in some way, then I would say that’s a belief. Infinity is a concept, and we have no way of knowing if anything infinite actually exists at all.

What about ‘transcendent infinity’?

So far I have only talked about the non-transcendent forms of infinity. The same logic also applies to ‘transcendent infinity’, which as I said before is a creative use of words, as it is not what most people would ordinarily take infinity to mean.

The transcendent form of infinity essentially refers to something that is untouchable, un-stainable and indestructible. It is something that remains constant and unchanging amidst this world of ever-changing things. Again, for the same reasons it’s impossible to know this for sure. You may be able to say that something is relatively permanent or relatively unchanging, like a mountain or the world map, and that has some use, but you can never know for sure that something will never change.

Again, this is not to say that these teachings have no use. If you realise that your awareness/consciousness, for example, is relatively unchanging in that as long as you are in the waking or dream state it is there, this can provide huge amounts of relief and alleviation of suffering. It can also form the basis by which the mind (or subtle body in vedanta, suksma sarira in Sanskrit) can be purified and be released from the bondage of thinking ‘I am a doer’. This is the essential method of many schools of Mahayana and Tibetan Buddhism and also of Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta or Jnana Yoga, and for me was a very liberating teaching on my journey.

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In conclusion…

In summary, my advice is to take teachings that talk about infinities in any form with a pinch of salt (or perhaps a large dollop of salt, depending on your inclination). Infinity, in all its various guises, can be useful to inspire, motivate and even purify our minds, but ultimately these concepts are not helpful as it is impossible for us to know for sure if they are true. Don’t let these grandiose concepts take you away from acknowledging the Freedom that is already here, right now, in everyday ordinary life.

See that the true teachings are not in elaborate words or clever definitions, but that they are pointing to something that is already present, here and now. The true teachings always eventually point you back to ordinary experience, life as it is.

The essence of yoga

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The other aim of yoga, in addition to seeing through the false concept of being a separate doer-entity described in my previous post, is to remove compulsive desires. When these have been removed, the result is peace of mind which in turn leads to the ending of suffering and moksha (freedom, liberation).

We could classify desires into two types, compulsive and non-compulsive. Compulsive desires are ones that you feel compelled to enact. Your happiness depends upon fulfilling these desires. Non-compulsive desires are ones which you could take or leave. While you may enjoy the consequences of acting out and fulfilling a non-compulsive desire, your sense of happiness and wellbeing does not depend on it. You could call non-compulsive desires preferences.

When a compulsive desire is not fulfilled, suffering is the result. When a non-compulsive desire is not fulfilled, it’s ok. You may have wanted it to pan out a certain way, but it’s fine that it didn’t happen the way you wanted it to.

When compulsive desires have been rooted out, our happiness no longer depends on objects, and the mind becomes peaceful (sattvic).

In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna repeatedly advises Arjuna to practice yoga. By this Krishna means to practice not minding what happens regardless of the outcome of a situation. In his first lesson to Arjuna on the subject of yoga, Krishna defines yoga as follows, a definition that is often repeated in various ways throughout the text:


yogasthaḥ kuru karmāṇi saṅgaṃ tyaktvā dhanañjaya

siddhyasiddhyoḥ samo bhūtvā samatvaṃ yoga ucyate
Perform actions, Dhananjaya [Arjuna], giving up attachment, be steadfast in yoga, be equal in success and failure. This evenness of mind is called yoga.
Bhagavad Gita 2.48

So in summary, what is the essence of yoga? Well according to the Bhagavad Gita, yoga essentially means ‘evenness of mind’, or as I put it, not minding what happens. Practice of this leads to having a peaceful (sattvic) mind. All forms of yoga have this sattva and peace as their aim, with the exact methods and mechanisms varying depending on the type of yoga.

Also see:
How yoga works
The paradox of yoga
Ramana Maharshi: The 4 paths to freedom (the 4 yogas)

Is everything really consciousness?

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Lots of spiritual teachers and teachings seem to be saying all there is is consciousness. But is this really true? And even if it was true, would we be able to know this as being true?

From the point of view of experience

Firstly, from the point of view of our experience, yes, everything is consciousness. Whatever you look at, smell, see, touch, feel, think or imagine, etc, appears within your consciousness or awareness. And all these things appear as modulations of that consciousness, so in effect, our entire experience is nothing but consciousness.

Also we cannot directly know or experience anything or go anywhere that is not within our consciousness. If we did then we would, by definition, be conscious of it, and so our experience of it would be consciousness.

Everywhere we go, no matter what we experience, consciousness is, it is always present, effortlessly shining.

So, there we have it. Everything is consciousness. Right? Well…

From the point of view of reality

Just because everything you experience is consciousness, doesn’t mean that everything is consciousness. You see, in one way this is just a play on words. In the way we are using the words, experience and consciousness are synonyms. You cannot have experience without consciousness. If you are conscious you are experiencing. Think about it. Can you have one without the other? So of course, in terms of experience everything is consciousness. But it’s a bit like saying in terms of vision everything is seeing.

You don’t have to be a genius to realise there may be things going on that we are not conscious of, and perhaps we will never be conscious of. From what we know of the universe (via our consciousness!) we know it is vast and complex. Of course all this vastness could be just all happening within our consciousness only, but we don’t know that for sure. It is easily foreseeable that there may exist something beyond our consciousness, something we can never sense (be conscious of) or understand.

From the point of reality, we do not know if all there is is consciousness, and to say that everything is consciousness is going too far. We can only say everything is consciousness in terms of our own experience, but not in terms of reality. If you think that everything is consciousness (and by implication that nothing exists outside of consciouness), I would say that is a belief. Ask yourself, do you know that for sure? How can you know that for sure?

Why is this important?

Does this actually matter? If all we experience is consciousness, then does it matter? If there is something beyond consciousness but we are not aware of it, who cares, right? Well, to me at least, it does matter. If you are interested in what’s true it does matter. If you are a spiritual seeker trying to figure this all out and it doesn’t make any sense, then it does matter. If you are interested in seeing through all false beliefs and discovering a genuine freedom, then yes, it does matter. And if you are interested in science and reducing human suffering through technology based on scientific discoveries, then yes, it does matter.

False beliefs breed suffering as they inevitability conflict with what is true, and false beliefs impede genuine philosophical, ethical and scientific inquiry. Beliefs like this affect how we approach and respond to life and how we treat each other. It affects the philosophical basis upon which scientific progress is made, and so it can affect the technologies we develop and how we develop them. The overall result of clinging to false beliefs is to the detriment of us as individuals and our society at large.

Does that mean that not everything is consciousness?

So, back to consciousness. Does that mean that not everything is consciousness? No! Perhaps everything is consciousness! Perhaps it isn’t. The point is that we do not know. Everything may or may not be consciousness. We don’t know. It’s actually a scientific question and we currently don’t have the evidence either way. It may be impossible to know, as how would you know that there is nothing beyond consciousness?

The point is we should be honest, with ourselves and each other, and not cling to beliefs unnecessarily and unknowingly. Whilst beliefs can be used to make us feel better and give us strength during hard times, clinging to them and thinking they are definately true and that we are definately right causes more suffering in the long term, both for us and often for those around us.

Can the teaching ‘everything is consciousness’ be useful?

Ironically, yes. Even though ultimately we don’t know, the teaching that everything is consciousness can still be useful. How so? Well the teachings aim to undermine the belief in a separate self, or the notion of being an independent doer-entity, and in that regard this philosophical idealism of everything being consciousness can be useful. The idea is that the teaching is an antidote to a fixed belief. More on how that works here.  The key is that once the job of the conceptual teaching is done, we don’t cling to this new concept which simply becomes a new problem and a new way of perpetuating the ego.

The consciousness teachings or awareness teachings, as I call them, can also point to a still-point in our experience that is always present, at least whilst we are awake. It is that which never changes and is always ever-present, un-touched and ever-aware. Recognising this aspect of our being can be very liberating and can give us the emotional security to open up to our thoughts and feelings, and allow our emotional-spiritual hearts to open, and can allow us to feel happier and whole.

What about Freedom?

So if we don’t know whether or not everything is consciousness, what do we do now? A part of Freedom, which is already here, is that everything is allowed. It’s ok to not know. That’s ok. There are lots of things we do not know, many things we will never know, and probably many things that are impossible for us to know. Freedom doesn’t mind. It’s just the way things are.

The paradox of yoga

The word yoga can be used to describe a series of specific methods which aid and direct the seeker towards the goal of the ending of suffering or of attaining realisation. So let me start by saying something quite obvious: all of the yogas* are practices to be performed or actions to be done. They are therefore meant to be performed by a person who thinks themselves to be a separate doer-entity.

The very existence of the (illusory) separate doer implies a duality – in fact the imagined doer is the essence of duality, the first conceptual step from which all other dualistic notions proceed from. The duality that it sets up is between that of the subject (the doer) and objects (the objects of the world in which actions are done).

The aim of all yogas is, through practice, to facilitate a seeing/realisation that the separate doer-entity is an illusion. And therein lies the apparent paradox. Yoga is action undertaken by the (imaginary) separate doer in order to see through this illusion of doership.

*Traditionally there are several key yogas outlined in the vedic texts, the main ones being Jnana Yoga (yoga of knowledge or understanding), Karma Yoga (yoga of action), Bhakti Yoga (yoga of devotion) and Raja Yoga (the king of yogas).

Also see:
How yoga works
The essence of yoga
Ramana Maharshi: The 4 paths to freedom (the 4 yogas)

Enlightenment: is a teacher required?

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For many a teacher is essential.

For some no human teacher is required.

For some a teacher/teaching can even be detrimental.

Without the drive for truth, even with a good teacher you can get caught up in the teaching and never break free from its concepts and modes of expression.