Liberation is one | there is no difference between Jivanmukti and Videhamukti | Liberation with and without the body

Traditionally in Vedanta teachings there are said to be 2 kinds of liberation, Jivanmukti (liberation in this life) where the body continues, and Videhamukti (liberation without a body), which is liberation after the body dies.

However in truth there is only one liberation.

From the point of the (ignorant) onlooker, it may appear that a sage has a body or doesn’t have a body (if their body has died), but from the point of view of the sage, there is never a body (or a mind or a world).

So various types of liberation are only for the (ignorant) onlooker, and never in Reality for the ‘Sage’.

(I put ‘sage’ in quotes as it is only from the ignorant onlookers view that such a things as a sage, a liberated person, appears to exist’)

There is only ‘One’ (although you cannot even say ‘one’ really, as Liberation or Self is beyond all conception).

This is why in Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talk number 265 Ramana says the following (my additions are in square brackets):

Questioner: There are said to be sadeha mukta (liberated in body) and videha mukta (liberated without body).

Sri Ramana Maharshi: There is no liberation, and where are muktas [the liberated ones]?

Questioner: Do not Hindu sastras [scriptures] speak of mukti [liberation]?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Mukti is synonymous with the Self. Jivan mukti (liberation while alive) and videha mukti (liberation after the body falls) are all for the ignorant. The Jnani [liberated one] is not conscious of mukti or bandha (bondage).

Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for an ajnani [ignorant or unliberated one] in order that ignorance might be shaken off.

There is only mukti and nothing else.

Who can conceive of the state of the Jnani? Sri Sadhu Om | The true nature of the Jnani. The true nature of Jnana | Advaita Vedanta | Sri Ramana Maharshi

The following verse is taken from Guru Vachaka Kovai verse 1105 followed by commentary by Sri Sadhu Om, a direct devotee of Sri Ramana Maharshi’s who spent several years with him. Guru Vachaka Kovai is recognised as being the most authoritative exposition of Sri Ramana Maharshi’s verbal teachings, and can be downloaded in full here. For this particular verse, Sri Ramana Maharshi has also re-written the verse so we have 2 forms of the same verse:

1105. The Jnani, the unchanging one, who is sleeping naturally within the body, does not know His activities [vyavahara] in the world, His absorption [nishtha] and His sleep, just as one who is sleeping in the cart does not know the moving of the cart, its standing still and its lying [with the bullocks unyoked].

The above verse was rewritten by Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi in the form of the following verse, which is also included in Ulladu Narpadu – Anubandham (Supplement to 40 verses on reality) as verse 31:

B21. To the knower of the reality [mey-jnani], who is asleep within the fleshy body, which is [like] a cart, His activities [in waking and in dream], His absorption [nishtha] and His sleep are similar to the moving of the cart, its standing still and the cart being unyoked, to one who is sleeping in the cart

Commentary by Sri Sadhu Om: The bodily life of a Jnani appears to be real only from the perspective of others. So ignorant people [ajnanis] think, “This Jnani is performing activities here in the waking state.”

But since the Jnani is verily bodiless, He does not know those activities; to Him the body and its activities are completely non-existent.

Just as the traveler who is sleeping in a bullock cart does not know the movement of the cart, and just as a sleeping child does not know that he is taking food, so also the Jnani does not know the state in which the body, the senses and the mind are active.

When the body, the senses and the mind of a Jnani remain without activities, people think, “This Jnani is in samadhi.” This is similar to the state where the oxen remain yoked to the cart but are motionless. Even this state of samadhi or nishtha is not known to the Jnani; for Him it is completely non-existent. When people think, “This Jnani is sleeping,” this state of apparent deep sleep in which his body, his senses and his mind seem to be unconscious, is similar to the cart that is with the unyoked oxen.

Just as the fact that the car is undone is not known to the traveler who sleeps in the car, so also the state of deep sleep is not known to the Jnani; for him this state it is completely non-existent.

Therefore, these three different states in the life of a Jnani seem to exist only under the erroneous perspective of the ajnanis, who see the bodiless Jnani as a body.

For the Jnani, the state of activity [wakefulness and sleep], the state of samadhi and the state of deep sleep do not really exist.

That is why Sri Bhagavan says in verse 31 of Ulladu Narpadu:

Who can conceive and how what his [the Jnani’s] state is?

~ above text is by Sri Sadhu Om in his commentary on Guru Vachaka Kovai verses 1105 and B21

For more on the same topic, please also see here:

For those attached to the world, the world is considered to be a divine manifestation. For the advanced seeker, the world is considered to be an illusion

What exactly is Jnana (self-knowledge) according to Shankara and Gaudapada and the scriptures?

How can the Jnani (sage) function with NO THOUGHTS? Sri Ramana Maharshi

Ramana Maharshi: how to abide as the Self, the world is not real, attend to yourself

Does the Sage (Jnani) see the world? Does the world appearance exist after liberation?

Multiplicity, plurality and polarity ARE duality | Non-duality | Sri Ramana Maharshi

The nature of liberation | Manonasa by Michael Langford | Ramana Maharshi | PDF download

Does the liberated Jnani or Sage see the body, the mind, the world or the 3 states of deep sleep, waking and dream according to Sri Ramana Maharshi and Sri Adi Shankara?