Liberation is one | there is no difference between Jivanmukti and Videhamukti | Liberation with and without the body
Traditionally in Vedanta teachings there are said to be 2 kinds of liberation, Jivanmukti (liberation in this life) where the body continues, and Videhamukti (liberation without a body), which is liberation after the body dies.
However in truth there is only one liberation.
From the point of the (ignorant) onlooker, it may appear that a sage has a body or doesn’t have a body (if their body has died), but from the point of view of the sage, there is never a body (or a mind or a world).
So various types of liberation are only for the (ignorant) onlooker, and never in Reality for the ‘Sage’.
(I put ‘sage’ in quotes as it is only from the ignorant onlookers view that such a things as a sage, a liberated person, appears to exist’)
There is only ‘One’ (although you cannot even say ‘one’ really, as Liberation or Self is beyond all conception).
This is why in Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talk number 265 Ramana says the following (my additions are in square brackets):
Questioner: There are said to be sadeha mukta (liberated in body) and videha mukta (liberated without body).
Sri Ramana Maharshi: There is no liberation, and where are muktas [the liberated ones]?
Questioner: Do not Hindu sastras [scriptures] speak of mukti [liberation]?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Mukti is synonymous with the Self. Jivan mukti (liberation while alive) and videha mukti (liberation after the body falls) are all for the ignorant. The Jnani [liberated one] is not conscious of mukti or bandha (bondage).
Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for an ajnani [ignorant or unliberated one] in order that ignorance might be shaken off.
There is only mukti and nothing else.
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Masterclasses in October 2023: The Many Ways to Freedom with Evolve by Teachers of God
Dear all
I will be holding a series of masterclasses over the next 4 Mondays in October 2023, hosted by Teachers of God
October 2nd: The Essential Teaching of Sri Ramana Maharshi
October 9th: The Importance of Devotion
October 16th: The Importance of Self-Enquiry
October 23rd: How NOT to Realize Your True Nature (What not to do, common distortions of teachings, common pitfalls)
Learn more about this Masterclass Series and register here
This Sunday In-person Satsang will also be livestreamed on Zoom
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The sense of being an individual will keep coming back UNLESS…
Unless you turn away from arising phenomena, the sense of being an individual person and the suffering that comes along with it (ie. ignorance and duality) keeps on returning.
This is why all genuinely liberating spiritual teachings advocate deep meditation (or deep silence or deep self-inquiry).
Some people think turning away from something means a teaching is dualistic, but this is because the true nature of Non-Duality has not really been known, and the mind has acquired a false (conceptual) understanding of an non-duality that makes sense to the mind, but is not actually true or liberating.
This is also why those teachings that do not advocate turning away from phenomena do not result in the total cessation of suffering.
Some of these false teachings even state that it is impossible for suffering to be totally and completely removed, thus contradicting the testimony of all the great sages and spiritual traditions.
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Bhagavan Ramana repeatedly taught that we should turn away from phenomena/objects, (just as the Upanishads and all true spiritual teachings do) eg.:
Q. What in brief is the means to know one’s own real nature? What is the effort that can bring about the sublime inner vision?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Strenuously withdrawing all thoughts from sense objects, one should remain fixed in steady, non-objective [ie. subjective] enquiry. This, in brief, is the means of knowing one’s own real nature; this effort alone bring about the sublime inner vision.
~ Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramana Gita, Chapter 3, verses 4-6
If, on the contrary, you withdraw your mind completely from the world and turn it within and abide thus, that is, if you keep awake always to the Self, which is the substratum of all experience, you will find the world, of which alone you are now aware, just as unreal as the world in which you lived in your dream.
~ Sri Ramana Maharshi, Maharshi’s Gospel
291. If one wants to be saved, one is given the following true and essential advice: just as the tortoise draws all its five limbs within its shell, so one should draw the five senses within and turn one’s mind Selfward. This alone is happiness.
~ Sri Ramana Maharshi, Guru Vachaka Kovai verse 291
Commentary from Sri Sadhu Om on the above verse: This important advice, to withdraw the mind from the five senses and to turn it Selfward, is not given to one and all; it is given only for the benefit of those who wish to save themselves, and not for those who are still vainly hoping to save the world. Such people, who want to save the world, will find no taste for Self-attention, and thus they are not yet fit even to save themselves, let alone to save the world; unless one has first learnt to swim, it is vain and futile to jump into the water to save others.
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How to stop seeking? Non-duality & Advaita
Seeking = suffering.
So, how to stop seeking?
Until the truth of your own Self is known, seeking will continue no matter how much you try not to seek.
(Please contemplate this first before reading further)
How to know the truth of your self?
With happiness, faith, love and devotion in your heart, gently and lovingly (but definitely) turn away from all objects, which are not-self (being illusory, upon realisation they will no longer appear), towards the I AM (that which you ARE), the Subject, the Self (upon realisation the formless I AM/subject/Self, which is the nature of love-light-being-bliss, is all there is)
If instead we embrace objects as ‘part of oneness’ and say ‘all is included in oneness’, then the illusion is embraced, the truth of Self is not realised, and ego-seeking-suffering continues, as per the 3rd ‘paragraph’ above.
This is why Bhagavan Sri Ramana writes in Upadesa Saram verse 16:
‘It is true wisdom
For the mind to turn away
From outer objects and behold
Its own effulgent form.’
And why in ‘Who am I?’ Bhagavan Ramana writes:
‘Just as the knowledge of the rope, which is the base, will not be obtained unless the knowledge of the snake, the superimposition, goes, so the realization of Self (swarupa-darsanam), which is the base, will not be obtained unless the perception of the world (jagat-drishti) which is a superimposition, ceases.’
Liberation has nothing to do with the body or mind
If liberation or self-knowledge was something to do with the mind, then a firm and swift blow to the head could put an end to that liberation.
Luckily, liberation has nothing to do with the body or the mind.
It is beyond time and space.
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The following will NOT lead to liberation
Unfortunately, and contrary to what some teachers say, the following do NOT lead to liberation, as anyone’s own personal experience can testify:
-simply seeing ego for what it is
or
-seeing the false as false
or
-seeing the world but knowing it is illusory or false
or
-knowing yourself as the unchanging witness to all phenomena
or
-knowing yourself as the consciousness or awareness in which all (and as which all) phenomena arise
or
-merely saying or affirming based on exploring one’s experience ‘there is no person’
(Can you think of any other similar teachings that don’t work? Please let me know in the comments below…)
These are all conceptual.
If these actually worked as teachings, many more would be liberated very quickly.
Even if there is some genuine experiential understanding, it is still ultimately mind-understanding or ego-understanding and not at all the true spiritual knowledge (which has nothing to do with the mind or thought or even the body, all of which are time-bound).
At best these can alleviate suffering, but not abolish it entirely, which only occurs with genuine liberation.
What is needed is to actually turn away from objective phenomena (towards the Self). You will find that unless this is done, the suffering and the sense of being an individual person keeps on returning no matter how hard you try.
Has this been your experience too?
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No freedom in the Matrix
Saying:
-this matrix is also part of Freedom and so no need to exit the matrix
or
-there is Freedom within the Matrix
or
-‘look how wonderful and amazing and beautiful the Matrix’ is and proceed to worship it (pay it attention)
or
-The matrix was created for a reason and so we should enjoy it
All these are concepts that keep you trapped in the matrix.
All these are ego-preservation strategies.
All these are born of ignorance.
This teaching is itself within the matrix, a message within the matrix to help you break free from that which never truly bound you
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Ps. Let me know if you know of any other ego preservation strategies like these
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